SPEAKER_00 0:00

For five decades, Gloria Stefan's music has moved the world. This is Let It Loose, a Gloria Estefan podcast. The first fan-led show dedicated to her life, legacy, and lifelong Estefans, Carlos, Rob, and Wes explore the songs, moments, and stories that make Gloria an icon. If her music changed your life, then welcome home.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

Hi everybody, and welcome back to another episode of Let It Loose. My name is Rob. I'm Wes, and I'm Carlos. And on today's episode, it's a special one. We are discussing Gloria's impact and her legacy as it relates to pop culture and the music of other artists who came after her. We have two guests who will be sharing two very different perspectives on how Gloria's groundbreaking bilingual career helped pave the way for the future.

SPEAKER_03 0:50

Awesome. But before we do that, we're gonna go into this week in Gloria History. So take it away, huesito.

SPEAKER_04 0:57

So this week in Gloria History, we're going to Las Vegas. Uh, April 29th, 2010. Gloria and Emilio both received their star on the Las Vegas Walk of Fame at the Rio All Suite Hotel and Casino. Rob, have you have you um seen that on your trips out there?

SPEAKER_01 1:20

I did I have. I've been to Las Vegas twice to see Kelly Clarkson. One time, you know, was better than the other. But but the that's because she canceled all her shows. But the first time I went, I made it a point to find this star. And I'm I'm 99% sure that I found the star. Um because it was the only it was where everybody said that it would be. But the star is not in um in great shape anymore, it's not in good shape anymore. Like it is, it has seen better days. Like there are not just dents missing from it, you can hardly you can hardly see the names on it anymore because it was Gloria and Emilio together getting a star.

SPEAKER_04 2:03

Um and that was the significant thing about it. It was that they they released or they they both got the walk of the the star them jointly. So yeah, yeah. That was the big thing, because no no couple had ever been ever had that.

SPEAKER_01 2:19

Right. It says Emilio and Gloria Stefan, producer, songwriter, artist, Las Vegas. Um last time I went, there were no decipherable that's not a word. There were no words that were clearly legible on it anymore. And and it's not about their star versus other people's stars. The Las Vegas Walk of Fame is in terrible shape.

SPEAKER_03 2:42

Is that something that they still do to this day?

SPEAKER_01 2:44

Or I it's unclear because it doesn't look like if they still do it, that they take care of the stars that are already there. The stars are in disarray. Um, you know, I know I know that Emilio takes care of his star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. That's always been a rumor. I don't know if that's true or not that he sends somebody to clean it or whatever. Are you really?

SPEAKER_03 3:04

I never heard like are you just making shit up?

SPEAKER_01 3:06

I swear to God, I've always heard that. That's not true.

SPEAKER_04 3:09

Is this the um I feel like you're making things up? Oh is this the tequila?

SPEAKER_01 3:15

I've had this is the beginning of the episode, Wes, so I have not had anything subjected. Um no, I I could have sworn over the years that that it's been a rumor or that he has him himself has said that he sends people to clean his star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. I mean, Emilio's got the money to do it, so but if that's true, then uh the the Las Vegas Walk of Fame has not been as well taken care of by anybody, by any of the stars who are on that walk of fame, because their star is one of many stars there that are just ready to be repaired. So it was a shame because I really wanted to see it. Um I've never been to Hollywood, so this would have been the closest for me to like take a picture with. Um it was kind of it was sad.

SPEAKER_03 4:05

See, I've seen the one in Hollywood, not the one in Vegas.

SPEAKER_04 4:08

Yeah, I've been to Vegas twice, and I I knew that they had one there, but I never did, yeah, I never did track it down.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

You could be in front of it and you wouldn't be able to tell because there are no words on it anymore.

SPEAKER_04 4:18

So I would have been I was uh you're you're saying I would still be searching for it. Yeah, you have some guests with yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 4:25

All right, Wes. Thank you, Wes. To help us dive deeper into this conversation, we're joined by two incredible guests, each bringing their own perspectives. First, my best friend Angel Max, whose passion and strong opinions about Gloria Stefan's legacy helped spark this entire conversation. And we're also joined by Cali, host of Shakik Bedia, a podcast dedicated to Shakira, who can speak to how Gloria's influence helped pave the way for artists like Shakira to achieve global success. Let's welcome them to the show. Hello, Hanghelm Cali. Yay, thank you for coming. Thank you, Daniel.

SPEAKER_08 5:09

Thanks for having us.

SPEAKER_03 5:10

Thank you. Absolutely. And as you could see, for anyone that could see this video right now, we have Don Destanglos Ladrones behind me, which Callie, uh, we might get into that uh a little later, but that to me, that's the number one right there. But we can discuss it later on. We can discuss it later on.

SPEAKER_08 5:31

Okay, we can get there.

SPEAKER_04 5:33

Now, my question, Robert, where is your copy of the vinyl? It's in my heart. I have my copy back there.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

Come on, I don't have physical media in this.

SPEAKER_04 5:45

No, I have to joke with you about that.

SPEAKER_01 5:47

I have more tequila behind me than I have the vinyl.

SPEAKER_03 5:51

That's right. Well, I have to say, I have I'm Max. Thank you so much for joining us because I know that you, I think by no by now everyone knows that you are not only our biggest cheerleader, but you have your own little podcast after our shows drop, and you will share all your thoughts. So we've been super, super excited about you joining us uh today.

SPEAKER_02 6:18

Thank you very much. It's just uh exciting to be here with you all finally, and also to have our shocky fan in our company as well to share space.

SPEAKER_03 6:28

I think one one thing to know about Angel Max, you're not only a fan of Gloria and many female artists, but you're just like a feminist, period. You're always trying to just you know lift up women in general. Absolutely, you know. So that's one thing that I absolutely love about you. Thank you. I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_02 6:50

Um, I take seriously the responsibility I have in this case as an uncle, as a deal. I have many nieces and nephews as well. But I always tell those friends of mine, as a kind of an aside to this piece right now, who are um able to bring children into their lives, whether through biological means or adoption means, etc., I tell these male friends of mine, I tell them, you know, the greatest role and responsibility you will have in your life is raising a little girl. And that's my view. And that's the way I approached in raising my own niece, and the way I hold myself as a role model, a male role model, a male presence, and in some cases a father figure for uh young girls in my life. It's an important role, and it's one that I don't I don't take uh for granted, even though I am not gonna have my own biological children myself. I'm too late, too old right now to adopt my own. The only girl child I have in my life is my cat, Lizzie. Lizzie! That's right. But uh, but thank you for those words because I do take that seriously, and that extends further out in my in other facets of my life, in who I choose to support, such as these incredible women artists like Shakira and Glory.

SPEAKER_03 7:59

Absolutely. And you know that whenever you've come to visit me, my girls absolutely go crazy over you. They adore you, they love their Theo Angel Max. Angel, you and I, we've known each other now for this year, makes 25 years. Since our very since our very first meeting, which happened in Las Vegas in 2001 for the Mandalay Bay concert, the one night only, which Rob, if I'm not mistaken, you went to the One Night Only in Connecticut.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

It was my first Gloria concert ever.

SPEAKER_03 8:38

Wow. So yeah, so I was actually traveling to Las Vegas by myself. So this was right after 9-11. I had never been on a plane before. This was my first time going on a plane, traveling by myself, so I was scared shitless. Um, and I make it over there, and there's a group of fans called the Divas. And I'm going to Vegas meeting the divas, not having a clue that the divas, a bunch of guys, were gay. Yes, they are. They were gay men that called themselves the divas. I had no idea. We end up meeting. Um, we stayed at the same hotel, we went to the concert, we had front row seats, I think between front uh first row and second row. We had a blast, we had so much fun. And since then, 25 years later, I mean, you're not I can't even say you're my best friend. You're you're like family at this point.

SPEAKER_02 9:44

You are family. Thank you for that. And I would definitely say one of your best friends because you know you're blessed with many people that care about you and hold long-term impactful friendships with you. So I'll say I'm one of yours. But thank you for the nice words. Um, Lola Descomuche, I really do. And just to think how young you were, Dan Boba Gas, you know. I still am, bitch.

SPEAKER_03 10:10

Young adjacent, young adjacent.

SPEAKER_02 10:12

There you go. Well, back then, my dear fellow uh guests here, uh, he was very young and naive. He was he was bright-eyed, he was wide-eyed, rather, wide-eyed. He had a big uh uh uh expression on his face of wow, I'm meeting these Gloria fans and fanatics, fanaticals. And so it was really, really wonderful to meet you and see you enter our Gloria fandom.

SPEAKER_03 10:35

So Gloria in the early years, yes, your beginnings. What made you a fan?

SPEAKER_02 10:44

Oh goodness. Uh well, first of all, I want to share that I'm an older fan, I'm a more established older fan. I'm gonna be 57 years old next month. So I'm well seasoned, that's all like it's like Guatemalan blood in me. And try to do my Chapinas, by the way. Um, but you know, in the late 70s for me, um music was pretty ubiquitous on Spanish radio. So songs like Renaced and Um Serapacil. That was that was the first introduction, although it was a more casual um thing for me at that point. Uh because you know my mom had control of the of the music in the house, or what we used to have, some of you may know this word, radiola. We had a radiola in in our in our living room, and so my mom was controlling the records and she'd controlled what was played. So a lot of Julio Iglesias, um Anna Gabriel, uh Juan Gabriel, and a touch of gloria here and there, but you know, at that point I was just not too intimately familiar with Gloria, or at that at that point, Miami Sound Machine. So we're looking at the late 70s, and uh just to give you a little bit more context, at that point, what was going on in the US musical market or industry was disco. Disco was the thing, it was making money, it was making uh cultural societal impact. And then, of course, you had I want to remind folks, listeners, that disco was deeply rooted in Latin rhythms, Latin percussion. And so that also caught my ear as uh I think I was uh nine, eight, nine or ten years old by that point in the late 70s, and realizing hey, I've this music's familiar to me for these sounds, we're listening by all this all this percussion. So disco's going on, it's raging, and then of course, you have a little introduction to Gloria late 70s. Now we move into the 80s. I'm a young teenager at this point. I'm now able to buy my own records. What we see now is this huge anti-disco backlash. And to me, I was like, why are y'all hating on disco? And some of you who may be my age, either here on the panel or listening out there in uh Let It Looseland, uh, there used to be those disco sucks t-shirts. I don't know if y'all remember that.

SPEAKER_01 12:57

Yes, yeah, I think my dad had one. Yeah, and they were wide screen. I know, can you believe?

SPEAKER_08 13:04

I never heard of those. So, will you explain that a little bit?

SPEAKER_02 13:07

Yeah, because I'm older, I'm bringing some history to the children, child.

SPEAKER_08 13:13

Educate the people, educate the people on hell.

SPEAKER_02 13:16

People know what time it is, and this is why I think the wonderful uh hosts here in Lauda have asked me to come on board in this session to just give some you know old people knowledge. But yeah, there was this huge um disco backlash, and to me, I took that very personally because me as a Latino born, uh as a as a as a Latino born in the United States, and I'm enjoying Spanish music and the rhythms and the and the percussion, very familiar to me that it was it wasn't anything drastic in making that change in sounds inside my own house from uh you know uh early Miami sound machine, the the sonic journeys within those those different languages and different genres within those musical genres within those languages. There was no uh nothing that questioned what am I listening to, type of thing. So then when this backlash against disco came around, I was like, why are they hating on disco? I'm enjoying disco, I'm enjoying all these other sounds. And then I started to pay attention, like I started to personalize it. Like, is this something about Latinos you don't like? What's going on here? But um I would argue, I will argue that um as many other people do, that the anti-disco movement was anti-people of color uh type of thing, because in the United States uh radio world, um, radio programmers were getting upset that disco was taking over, and that was threatening what was what was predominantly rock radio. So when we think of disco, one of the first faces that comes to mind is an African-American woman, Donna Summer. Uh, you think about another major label, Sal Orchestra, which was heavy in introducing Latin percussion into disco. So I viewed it over time, I got more better understanding of it. I viewed this as an attack on people of color and our sounds and our rhythms. So you move now into the early 80s, and the 80s was just a phenomenal time to be alive as a teenager, as a as a music buyer, vinyl buyer. Uh, Wes, shout out for the vinyl. Thank you for always promoting vinyl. Gloria herself or Miami Sound Machine did not necessarily come out of Freestyle. Uh, she was more in the pop, the mainstream pop world, um, side by side, simultaneous to the explosion of freestyle. So I found that curious for me later on in the mid to late 80s. Like there is this huge, successful money-making genre of freestyle. And for example, Expose at one point. And I kept thinking, well, heck, why isn't Gloria like, you know, swimming in that in that pool of freestyle? And so, you know, if I ever get a chance to talk to her again, I'm gonna ask her, hey, did you know Expose? Because Expose is Miami-based. Uh, did you know or work with other groups like uh Street Sensation and the Judy Tauruses and and so on? And so, anywho, I always wondered, I started to wonder why Gloria was in one particular lane that she was, she and Emilio and Maria Sound Machine were carving out and building within the pump mainstream world. But then you had this complementary freestyle world over here. And then what happened in the late 80s, uh early 90s, another successful, uh I think uh viable musical genre was killed off again. Freestyle was killed off, but people don't know or remember why freestyle was killed off from radio in the late 80s, early 90s. Because it had to make space, radio programmers, the industry made a decision to kill off freestyle in particular to make room for alternative rock and grunge. So it goes in cycles. You know, uh for me, who's been around long enough, I saw this cycle first when disco was killed off in radio by rock. And then now, 10, 10, or a decade later, I see it again. This very successful genre of music, freestyle. It's now breaking off, freestyle, it's breaking off into other shoots like house music. It's now moving into that realm in the late 80s, early 90s. And there you have people of color as well in house music to this day, for example. But then alternative rock and grunge rock killed off freestyle on radio, at least on radio. And then unfortunately, it hasn't recovered to the levels of success or commercial success or visibility the way it was in the 80s. But meanwhile, Gloria is just moving in her own lane with Amelia and Miami sound machine, and she did something along with Emilio, something I think a strategy that was extremely strategic and smart. Uh, but let me just stop there so I don't keep hogging the mic before I go further.

SPEAKER_01 17:39

No, this is perfect. You're bringing us right back to what I want to ask you about is yeah, you're talking about you took us to the late 80s, early 90s, and Gloria and Emilio carving out an identity for themselves that's unique, um, that becomes, from my perspective, the blueprint for other artists to follow, right? Yes. So you are a fan watching Gloria transition from uh, you know, a smaller artist to a bigger artist, to a bigger artist to a bigger artist, to an icon, right? Like she becomes her career blows into the stratosphere, right? Um, and what was what was that experience like as a fan to just watch their star shoot?

SPEAKER_02 18:23

Thank you for that, Rob, because as a fan, through you know, junior high, high school, and then college, and I saw that all in the 80s and early 90s for me, being being able to be front seat in real time to follow and enjoy the unfolding and development of Gloria's career, uh musical career. That is exciting. That yeah, I've been, you know, at least in the US market, I've been at the front seat of all that. And so for me, um, it was incredibly exciting because again, back in the 80s, it was such an incredible time to be alive and to be a consumer of music as a teenager because there's a lot of exploration going on, and I was high and along with other people, along with other people at that time. We were exposed to so many images and artists. I mean, we had Prince, we had Michael Jackson, we had Boy George Culture Club, Cyndi Lauper, uh Eurythmics, Gloria. You had all these videos that were now exploding. It was such an incredible time to listen to rock, to listen to rap and hip-hop. So for as a teenager, then it was incredible to see, not to hear all this music, all these different types of music, but also to see the diversity of the artists themselves. And going back to Gloria, I always knew I saw a Latina, I was seeing a cubana, I was seeing her on videos and on BH1 in particular. Uh, she was very visible. The Miami Miami song machine presence was very visible in the musical landscape and on radio. So I never questioned why she was there. To me, she was just part of the US musical radio landscape and so on. But what I think Gloria did was very strategic. I was looking back at this as uh I was looking back at my time in the 80s, which is I was never bored, and I've never been bored, and I never will be bored by Gloria and her music. Because Gloria and her music offers something for every listener, pretty much every listener. She has adult contemporary, she has English pop, she has English ballads, she has English dance music, she has Spanish pop, Spanish ballads, and now she got into a little bit there on standards, you know, with the standards album, etc. She's got the holiday music, she's got the children's uh music, etc. The point is that with Gloria, you cannot get bored with her music because there's some genre of music or style that is offered to any kind of listener. It's it's it's it's a potpourri of music, albums, etc., available to you if you choose to dive into her catalog. So for me, I was never bored, but I also stopped at a certain time, I think around college, um, to UC Berkey Gobertz. And in college, I started to more analyze things, like, okay, wait a minute. You know, she's had this incredible successful decade in the 80s, and she's about to launch into um um even more success in the 90s, as your previous awesome host uh guest um uh Sherrod Quinton. Um what's that era he he called Carmel? Imperial era, yeah. Uh unbeknownst to me in college in the in the late 80s, early 90s, that she was about to enter the imperial era, which was even more commercial success and uh creative success and so on. But I started to analyze what what did she do in the 80s and what she did at least with three or four specific albums, they had a strategy of what I call the ballad, dance, and pop singles off of each album. Beginning with Primitive Love 1985, uh ballad in that case is words get in the way. Huge chart topping or charted well, very, very well. And then you also had Bad Boy, and that's the one I consider more the pop sound or offering from that album. And then you had Gonga. Now, Konga, I I put that more as a Gloria fan. I put Konga as the single off Premier of Love. I put that more as like a dance single offering from that album. And then Konga is where she started to do something specific, was reintroducing Latin rhythm and percussion. Because remember, I talked to you earlier about disco. Disco had African American, black, and Latino roots in the mainstream pop radio world. Gloria was reintroducing uh, in this case, Afro-Cuban-based rhythms in a major pop song that has stood the test of time. Gloria and Amelia, what they did was introduce Latin rhythms, but specifically Afro-Cuban rhythms. And I think that that seeded the ground for continued success down the line. And then they moved on to their next album, Let It Loose, 1997. The same strategy. And those singles all charted well in their respective charts. And now you move on to cuts both ways. Gloria is now solo, and she still, of course, has my new sound machine with her. But the strategy is still there. The formula is still there. A ballad offering, a dance offering, and a pop offering. Into the light, the same formula is there. You have as the ballad coming out of the dark. Number one. Okay, there's the ballad leading the whole thing off. And then you have a pop, which in my my choice, my selection is Seal Our Fate. And the dance version of that album, in my opinion, is Live for Loving You. Because they saw the Seal Our Fate, and the question I've earned is there were 12-inch versions available with club edits, extended versions of those songs that did pop up in clubs. Because I remember by that point I was 21. I was now going out to the gay clubs, and I used to hear Live for Loving You uh versions in the club. Uh later on, I used to hear go away remixes and so on. And so then that strategy worked so well, and I can implement it now to four specific albums, the ones I just reviewed, where that formula of a ballad, a pop, and a dance um helped to prepare the ground for her commercial success and cultural impact in those respective genres of music. It's pretty spectacular. The business decisions they've made. Because we've heard Gloria in the media share in various interviews and so on, how they stood up to record executives or they made their case saying we want to go English now or we want to have the Spanish now. I really have mad respect for them year after year as I go on in my own life experience as a fan and as a consumer of music. Yeah, how how phenomenal they are in their business decisions and navigating at times a hostile, if not toxic, industry.

SPEAKER_01 24:50

Yeah, absolutely. So Angel, you're you're bringing us back to exactly where I want to bring Callie into the conversation a little bit because Callie, I don't know if I don't know if like that timeline made sense um for you as like a you're you like Gloria, you know, but you're here to talk about the parallels between Gloria's career and Shakira's career. So uh everything that Angel Max has just laid out for us brings us exactly to the point where Gloria begins to cross over and does a full Spanish language album. So the difference would be Shakira does laundry service. But I want to ask you like, where do you start to see from that history lesson we all just got the parallels in Gloria's early success and rise and strategy and with Shakira's career as well?

SPEAKER_08 25:41

Yes. Well, thank you, Angel, for educating us youngins here in the community about some of that history. First of all, you mentioned Donna Summer. And I just wanted to mention that Shakira has said in several interviews that the very first album that she ever bought with her own money was Donna Summer's Bad Girls. So there's like a seed of something there that was planted. And Shakita has gone on to do a few disco-inspired 70s and 80s inspired songs, like I'm thinking of Ready for the Good Times on Laundry Service, another track called Don't Wait Up, another song called Coete. There's a few that have like fusion and like 70s and 80s retro vibes. So I think that the best seed was planted there. In terms of Shakira inspiring Gloria Stefan or how they overlap, first of all, I personally, as a lifelong Shakira fan who has loved her since before she started singing in English, I have long known of Gloria Stefan, and I think of Gloria as an iconic legend on her own, of course, just need to say that. But in terms of how she has impacted Shakira, I think that she's like the aunt of all Shakira's fans. Like I think of her as the aunt of the Shaky fandom because she really liked that.

SPEAKER_03 26:52

I like that sweet.

SPEAKER_08 26:54

Yeah, she's like Latira, and then Emilio would be El Tío del fandom de los shadow. I love that. Yeah. And I mean, she Gloria definitely supported and encouraged Shakira to think more globally because I think at the time that you were just explaining, um, Angel Gloria Shakira was more like a regional superstar in Latin America, and Gloria helped her think even more globally than perhaps Shakira had been thinking. And I mean, there's many ways that we could go through and talk about specific touch points where Gloria has impacted her career. But I just wanted to say that I view her as like literally like a predecessor, just like a queen, you know, that inspired many people beyond her own career. And Shakira is definitely one of them.

SPEAKER_03 27:41

Well, that's actually interesting. And, you know, I I think we know, everyone here in this on this panel, we know exactly the uh that impact that Gloria and Emilio had on Shakira. But can you share with the listeners, you know, a bit of Emilio and Gloria's involvement in Shakira's uh career?

SPEAKER_08 28:01

Yes, absolutely. One of the first things that I'm thinking about is I have been a Shaqy fan for so long that I remember being in high school when Gloria subbed and covered for Rosie O'Donnell on the Rosie O'Donnell show.

SPEAKER_01 28:15

I remember the best day of my life.

SPEAKER_08 28:17

Okay, nice. I'm glad I'm not alone. I was there in front of the TV, eyes glued, okay, watching.

SPEAKER_04 28:23

And I I recorded it on VHS, so I can watch it because I was angry. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 28:31

Nice. Okay, that that lets me know we're all about the same-ish age-ish. Okay. Okay, cool. So, or at least remember that. Rob is like, no, I'm younger than you guys.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

Um, I'm the youngest and the greatest. Never forget much.

SPEAKER_08 28:45

Oh my gosh. Yes. And so for those who don't know, Rosie O'Donnell was like an afternoon, daytime-ish type TV show. And yeah, she would often have, you know, interviews with people and then have guests on to perform music. And so um, when Gloria subbed for Rosie, who was out for that episode, she invited Shakira to perform. And that was before Shakita had announced that she was doing an album in English or anything. And Gloria helped translate a small handful of Shakira's songs off of her huge album, Donde San Los Ladrones. And so Shakira performed in English version of her big hit Inevitable called Inevitable, as you might assume in English. And so that was one of the first times I like was able to see them interact. Like I already knew of Gloria for years and years. Um, my mom was not very musical, but she had like five or six CDs that she would listen to exclusively. And one of them was Gloria's greatest hits album. So I have that like image of the like red and white like cover where she's like wearing this big, like red skirt or something and a red little headband or something, like seared into my brain. So I knew of Gloria for several years, but that was one of the first times where I think we saw Gloria like advocating in particular for Shakira, because I'm sure that she had a say over who might be that musical guest. And she also helped her translate the exact song that she performed. And Shakira ended up playing that, I think, one or two more times on another awards show, the Alma Awards, with Melissa Etheridge. Melissa Etheridge. A queer icon. Okay, lest we forget.

SPEAKER_03 30:23

So I totally forgot about that perfor uh performance.

SPEAKER_08 30:28

Yeah, so that was really cool. I believe the songs that Gloria has confirmed that she helped translate were uh inevitable. There's a leaked version of Ciega Sur de Muda called Blind Speechless. The lyrics are online. You can look them up. Yeah, to a ballad.

SPEAKER_01 30:45

Gloria has mentioned to and she's called it you. Yes. Um and then we know eyes like yours. We know eyes like yours, but also on Ascap, the songwriter's website, there is um Shadows of You, Son Brahdi. Ooh, nice, but none of those have ever come out.

SPEAKER_08 31:05

Yeah, the audio doesn't exist for them, but some of the lyrics, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:10

I think I think what was happening was Gloria was trying to prove to Shakira that her music could translate. Is that right, Kevin? Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 31:18

I think that Shakira has even said that, or Gloria. I've heard one of them mention that like she needed like proof of concept. You know what I mean? That like she could still be her like quirky Colombian like self, you know, but in English. And Shakira had always had little fragments of different languages on her albums, even before laundry service. Like Oho Sasi has some Arabic on it, unpoco de amor on Shakira's previous album, Pias Descalzos, had uh Jamaican rapper singing in English, even little phrases of English are found on um magia and peligro. So I think Shakira always enjoyed, you know, different languages. And I'm a diehard for Shakira's little EP called The Remixes, where she translated some songs into Portuguese. So from my perspective, Shakira's first crossover was into Portuguese, but then Gloria helped her go even further into English. I've also heard Shakira mention in an interview several years ago how uh Shakira viewed Gloria as like an um, like a role model, let's say, for how she wanted to manage her career, because Gloria took the time to enjoy having a partner, having a child, really balancing her epic success in her career, but also being like a person with a real home life and everything. And I know that that had always been a goal of Shakira's. So Shakira was able to be in multiple long-term relationships and now is a mother and has two kids and everything. So I think that Gloria gave her like an uh a proof that that was possible, you know.

SPEAKER_03 32:48

So and I love the fact that she to this day does not shy away from sharing that with her audience. That you know, that Gloria has been an inspiration, that she helped her from the from the beginning. Um it's it's constant, she's constantly sharing that with the public, and that just goes to show the respect that she has uh, or actually the respect that they have for each other, because it seems like they they have uh the mutual uh respect. Um, but I love that she always shares where she came from, how she got started, and doesn't shy away from that.

SPEAKER_04 33:28

I always look at it this way from you know, from my perspective, white boy was. Um, so you know, Gloria saw what was coming down the pike, you know, like this is the late 90s, 99 when she was helping Shakira, um 98, 99. I mean, at that point, Gloria's career she had been in for 15 years, you know. And you know, at that point things were starting to slow down a bit, and she saw what was coming. And I think that she she saw that, you know, what a massive success she could be. And they wanted to continue the the Latin trend and and make it bigger than what it was, and it's worked. I mean, look look what she's doing now. It's pretty wild.

SPEAKER_08 34:18

Absolutely. I think it's like Gloria's legacy is not only her own, but like the future success of other artists is like part of Gloria's direct legacy. And of course, there's other artists even before Gloria, like Tito Puente, Selecruz, other people that we all, you know, it's there's a there's a been a whole community of artists, but I think we have to give the flowers where they're due. And I think that Gloria and Emilio, but since this podcast is about Gloria, Gloria definitely deserves all that credit, you know, like a true living legend. And I was recently interviewed on a podcast about Shakita's nomination for the Rock Hall. Um, and at the time that we're recording, Shakita is nominated to be possibly inducted into the Rock Hall of Fame. And I really think that Gloria deserves to be there as well. Like they are both true living legends for their artistry, but also the that they've used their spotlight to highlight and promote other artists. I like that they don't view each other as competition. Like I feel like Gloria's inheritance.

SPEAKER_03 35:16

They're two very different, two very different artists.

SPEAKER_08 35:19

Totally, totally, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:21

But at the same time, yes, they're they're different, but it goes back to that mutual respect that they have for one another.

SPEAKER_01 35:28

They're like to us, sonically, they're different, but like to radio to award people their pigeonholes into their categories, no matter no matter how different their music is, right? So because Shakira was singing in Spanish at the start of her career, she was gonna be Latin no matter what, despite the fact that she was singing rock, that she was punky, that she had the black braids, that she was a little bit more Alanis-leaning at that point. You know, and Gloria, no matter how her career has deviated or her albums have sounded different, she was also pigeonholed as Latin despite doing the standards or hold me through my kiss me or whatever. So, like they they very well could have been in competition with each other for years because of how the the market will pigeonhole artists despite their best efforts.

SPEAKER_08 36:19

Totally, and in particular, female artists. I feel like there's always space, like Angel was saying, for a zillion rock artists. But when it comes to making a festival, we can only have one woman, you know, headlining, or we can only have one Latina, you know, when we know that there's like an endless sea of like female and Latino talent, you know.

SPEAKER_03 36:37

So absolutely. I have a question, and this could be for both Angel and Callie. Do you feel that Gloria gets enough credit for shaping later artists? I see everyone shaking their head no, very adamantly shaking his head no. Um, we'll start with you, Angel.

SPEAKER_02 36:56

Thank you for that, and uh I appreciate all of uh Callie's intake, uh input as well, because I'm learning perspectives. Thank you. To give Gloria credit and Emilio is the fact that they have since they saw the long-term trajectory here, which is that all right, uh Wes touched upon it. Uh in the late 90s, things have started to cool down for Gloria a little bit. And so the what do we do? We're gonna open doors for all the other artists. So then people talk about this whole Latin explosion business, and they leave out uh the impact and the the architecture that Gloria and Emilio put in place for artists like John Secada. Of course, he's part of the whole, you know, um uh Estefan um enterprise world, but it started off with John Sicada, in my opinion, and then from there you move into the Rickies and the Jennifer's, and then now we're talking late 90s, like uh Wes mentioned earlier, working and supporting with Shakira. What I'm so thrilled about, because Shakira has a very specific, I think she has a very important role here now in her career, from my perspective as a Gloria fan. Shakira is taking this not only globally the way she has, I mean, my goodness, what she has done with her musical career on a global scale, but she's also helping Shakira that is she's helping to cement that Latino voices, Latino music writers, performers like her are here to stay and not going anywhere. And not just in the US market, but around the world. And what I'm thrilled about is that there are no groups of industry people in the US or radio programmers in the US to push out Latino music or Spanish music or push out Shakira because that that that that infrastructure doesn't really exist anymore for them to do that. Shut down Shakira, go ahead and try.

SPEAKER_06 38:45

Right.

SPEAKER_02 38:46

They're not going to be able to do that. She has a whole bunch of other avenues, platforms, technology, uh, anything else. She has her disposal now to keep her global dominance because she does have a level of global dominance. We are now living in the era of Bad Bunny. Try and shut, try and shut him down.

SPEAKER_04 39:04

Well, I mean, they tried.

SPEAKER_02 39:06

They tried. And were they successful?

SPEAKER_04 39:08

No.

SPEAKER_02 39:08

What were these people trying to do with the alternate Super Bowl performance? You know, that those group of listeners, consumers are still gonna be there, you know. But it's gonna be in nearly impossible now to get rid of or dismiss or diminish Latino music. And having Bad Bunny and folks like Shakira is gonna make it nearly impossible, in my opinion, to ever again dismiss, diminish, or get rid of a genre of music like Atom music, regaton, uh, etc. And that goes the same for rap and hip-hop. So, but I'm delighted that uh glorious uh framework and blueprint and and so on has laid down this very, very solid uh foundation for artists like Shakira and so on, uh to keep on inspiring the other future Shakira's. Shakira has a role now to inspire and promote and support other artists, Latino speaking, Spanish speaking artists, Portuguese-speaking artists, etc. So I'm looking forward to how her the Shakira's how her own impact and influence on the global scale will will bring forth other artists into the musical landscape.

SPEAKER_04 40:14

What part of Gloria's impact and legacy do you think will last the longer?

SPEAKER_02 40:17

Well, first of all, the quality of her music. Umes, I think you know this very well. The majority of her Grammys have been Grammys um earned for albums, and that speaks to the consistency of the musical production of albums. Um, I I think if I were a musical artist, a creative, I think if I had a Grammy to choose from, I'd go for an album Grammy because that speaks to the whole body of work I think in that one singular um album. So the fact that she has uh the majority of her Grammys being those for albums, that says a lot in terms of the quality of the music. So I think her musical uh legacy that based on quality music is gonna stand um not only for Spanish world, but also I think uh the uh the Latin percussions, the Latin rhythms, the Afro-Cuban rhythms that she's introduced into the lexicon of music in the US.

SPEAKER_03 41:08

40 years later, you're listening to Conga and you have all these TikTokers listen, it it sounds as fresh today as it did 40 years ago. It's funny because since we started this podcast named Let It Loose, um, after one of her albums, Let It Loose, um Primitive Love and Let It Loose have been on constant rotation for me. And I think I'm enjoying those two albums more now than I did when it first came out, you know, and that's just a testament to just the work and the product that they, you know, uh everything that they put into the love that it's love. You can tell that it's they love what they do.

SPEAKER_04 41:56

Yeah, there's still songs that you can put on, like Here We Are. I mean, it doesn't sound dated. Don't want to lose you. It doesn't sound dated to me. They they absolutely still they still get airplay.

SPEAKER_01 42:07

Even the ones that sound dated have a freshness to them, like yeah, because everything comes back around, you know. All those like all those 80s style like Cynthia songs are completely back. Yeah, since never left. But yeah, no, you're right. Dua Lipa did any did movies or or or uh you know love toy. It would be Love Toy. Exactly.

SPEAKER_08 42:30

To answer Wes's question from a little bit ago, what do you think Gloria's impact is going to be? I think another part of her impact is validating and being a light for people who are bicultural. I've I've heard Gloria say in many interviews how she identifies proudly as both Kubana and American, and they don't compete for her, and they both coexist peacefully. And I really, really respect that because I think there's so many people who feel that depending on their family's history or their migration, you know, that they feel not Latino enough or not American enough when they visit their families and their home countries, like back and forth. But I think that, you know, Gloria is like proudly both. And so um an example of uh potentially her impact for me is there's another artist, Becky G, who's Mexican American. And she had an album that came out a while ago that really highlighted Mexican rhythms and it was called Esquinas. And she said that she always felt like she was on the esquina of being both American and Mexican, and she identifies as a two percenter, like she's a hundred percent Mexican and a hundred percent American, for example. Like she doesn't have to sacrifice either one of her identities. And I think that an artist like Gloria has paved the way for artists like Becky G, you know, who's like several generations, I think, a bit younger than Gloria at this point. So it's cool that there's artists who who are proud, you know, of the multifacetedness of their experience. It's not like she's resisted, like that Gloria resisted becoming American when her family came here or that she. Also forgot her Cuban roots. You know, it's nice that she's able to claim both proudly. And I think that there's other artists and other people, maybe who aren't even artists, just people in the United States who need to hear that message.

SPEAKER_02 44:10

It's on that point that I want to uh segue into my final piece of the response to the question that was brought up, which is that a lasting impact of Gloria is the fact what she and Emilia fought for behind the scenes in the business world. We know that she and Emilio had to fight record executives for their own musical development and artistic development, in the sense of uh commercial development, I should say. You know, but then we also know, and I'm so glad Cali is here representing the Shakira world, that she fought behind the scenes behind um business executive doors for Shakira. You know, for Shakira to have that opportunity. So I think what Gloria did was super critical in the sense of she planted the idea and she she she and she used herself as a proof of concept that you can invest you can invest in Latino artists and a Latino woman no less, and you will have cultural, musical, and commercial success. That's why I'm I'm not a Swifty, but I like what she does in the outside world of music, where she fights for women's um uh women artists and and legal legal legal rights. I really like what she does in that realm, but I trace that all back to what women like Gloria, because I'm sure there's other phenomenal uh women artists who are also business women like Madonna. Madonna has the career she has because she's not a pushover, she's a business woman. So when you have folks like Madonna and you have folks like Gloria and how they uh how they bring out their boss, uh their boss selves behind executive music, music executive doors. But we're talking about Gloria specifically and Latin music and the Latin influence and pop music here in the United States. Gloria stands singularly right now in terms of her impact and her uh and her her legacy, not only in in in front of audiences, but behind music executive doors as well.

SPEAKER_08 46:04

Totally. I saw an interview a while ago where Gloria was talking about Shakita's crossover, and obviously both of the Estefans were super supporters and facilitators of that happening behind the scenes. And Tommy Matola was one of the exact the CEO or the executives, I believe, of Sony Latin at that time. Um, and he was like, Okay, well, you have this Shakita artist, maybe we can have her do just like two or three songs in English, and you know, we'll just promote it that way. The rest can be in Spanish. And Gloria was like, dude, English speakers in a more elegant way than I'm going to interpret it. She was like, dude, English speakers are not gonna buy an album that only has like two translations or two new English songs, it's just not gonna happen. Like, let Shakira do her thing, you know, like and I can be here to support her and guide her, but like it's possible, you know? And I remember even if any of you remember back in the day when Paulina Rubio did her album Border Girl.

SPEAKER_01 47:00

I loved it.

SPEAKER_08 47:02

I know I bought that and I played that, but I was like, this is not on the same caliber as laundry service. I'm like, I'm sorry, it's just not. And I mean, have we seen Paulina Rubio do a crossover or whatever? Like, no, you know what I mean? And I think that it's just like Gloria had the right vision and was able to stand in those rooms and say the thing that needed to be said so that doors could be opened. And it's had a huge movement ever since in terms of like Latin success. And I remember Shakita when she was doing laundry service, there was an interview where they were like, How does it feel to be part of the Latin boom right now? And you know, because that's when like Enrique Iglesias was very popular, Ricky Martin, Jennifer Lopez, Mark Anthony, et cetera, et cetera. And she was like, I don't want to be part of a boom because what happens after a boom? You're left in the ashes. And she's like, I want to be here to stay. And I was like, I'm sure that she has.

SPEAKER_03 47:55

And she has.

SPEAKER_08 47:56

And I'm sure that Gloria was one of those voices in her head that told her that it was possible because she saw that Gloria could do that. So I'll just keep giving Gloria her flowers because she doesn't.

SPEAKER_03 48:07

Going back to that conversation with Tommy Matola, thank God that she fought tooth and nail because it seemed like it was a very heated situation, and she fought tooth and nail for this to happen. And look at the success that Shakira has had since that crossover.

SPEAKER_08 48:27

Totally. It's crazy to think that some of the most talented, successful people had to fight. It's like, imagine trying to limit somebody like Gloria is Stefan. Okay. It's like are you kidding me? I would be like, girl, you obviously know what you're doing. Just take the money and get back to me when your album's done. Like, I don't get who these people are in these rooms, but I'm glad that they have stood up for themselves.

SPEAKER_03 48:48

I'm glad that you said that because it kind of goes back to what Angel was saying. And I think just in general, women have it hard, right? Women in this industry. But then as a Latin woman, I could just imagine that it's even harder. True, true. To be someone like Gloria and stand your ground for what you think and know is right. We could just go on and on about this.

SPEAKER_08 49:16

I know.

SPEAKER_03 49:16

I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:21

You know, Torpedo, uh, for me, I wouldn't want to be at that end of the discussion with her when she lets that Virgo out. Oh no.

SPEAKER_03 49:29

Listen, we already know. Okay, so for those that are listening, I'm sure you guys have followed along with this whole picadillo conpasas uh debate. And the one thing about her is that she did not let it go until I tried the damn picadillo conpasas. And then that's the Virgo in her. She just kept on and kept on. But but I'm so glad that there are women out there like that because you know, and it's so it I'm glad, but it's sad that, you know, um, in this case, if I mean she could tell me to jump out the window right now, be like, okay, bye. I'm going. But it's so sad that women do have to be that cutthroat in the industry, whereas I'm sure some men don't have to be, you know, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_08 50:22

It makes a lot of sense, sadly, yes.

SPEAKER_01 50:25

It absolutely does because I I'm thinking about somebody like Harry Stiles, for example, who has said he said in an interview when he came out with this album, because his album is a lot more his latest album, a lot more outhousey. There's fewer singles on it, it's more like interludes. It's it's a it's a it's a it's a hard sell for like the pop market, right? And he's like, Oh, I'm I can just make whatever sort of album I want, and like my fans are just gonna be along for the ride. And that sort of free attitude of just like people are gonna consume whatever I put out is a very upset luxury, you know, and it's not as as um as like what Angel Max was saying, as uh thoughtful as the formula that the estaphones and Shakira had to go through with their whole career. Like, I think I really think that Shakira is in in her evolution tour era right now, if Gloria fans can understand that. Where like she's in the middle of like she's done a few concept albums. Like Gloria I've said many times, Gloria is a concept album artist. She does albums that none of them sound the same. They're very like here's the here's the seed for this album. And Shakira's done that too. Like she's done the She-Wolf album, or she did Sal el Sol, that's a lot more tropical, where she finally like leaned into the that sort of Latin side of her that everybody's like, oh the Latin, Latin, Latin. She didn't do Latin music until 2011. Like really. Um, but you know, I think that Shakira and Gloria are sort of in this interesting parallel now where people are letting them explore themselves a little bit more now. But I feel like there there must have been years and years of them like fighting for that to happen. Whereas like a male artist doesn't necessarily have to put up their dukes as much.

SPEAKER_03 52:15

I mean, Miguelra is a perfect uh perfect example, you know. She wanted to come up, uh come out with this Spanish language album, and Tommy Matola didn't want her to. Yeah. Because of the success that she was having at that moment. So once again, going back to her standing her ground and fighting for what she knew was the right thing for her, you know, because ultimately this is her legacy, you know, and it's paid off.

SPEAKER_04 52:49

Tommy, um, Tommy Matola wrote, he has a couple books actually, and they're very interesting. I didn't read the whole entire book, but he there's a there's a book on the Latin, on Latin music, and he tells the story of Mitiera and when they presented it to him, they invited him over, and he specifically tells the story of Amilo and Gloria bringing him out, you know, inviting him over, laying the whole blueprint down for the Mitiera album, and he how he said, heck no, we're doing another pop album. This is what's you know, to continue the climb. And they they fought, as we all know, and stood their ground. And look what happened. But it's a pretty interesting read if you guys check that check those books out.

SPEAKER_01 53:31

Okay, so before we wrap up completely, we do have a segment on our show that has become a favorite of many of our people. I um I rarely do it because I don't really have like hot takes or whatever. But let it loose does not have to be a hot take. To let it loose, it could be something that has been weighing on you. It could be people have done gratitude. Anything on your mind related to the episode or related to why you're here, it's time for our guests, Angel Max and Callie, if they're ready, to let it loose. Angel Max is not him. Okay.

SPEAKER_08 54:09

I see Angel Max pointing at me on the here on the video, so I'll go. Um first, I didn't I couldn't be on a Gloria podcast without giving a shout out to one of my favorite things I ever that I ever discovered on the internet, which was Rapuela.

SPEAKER_05 54:25

Oh yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 54:28

I used to follow Emily Estefana on Instagram and would be obsessed when she would post those videos with her grandma.

SPEAKER_07 54:36

Love that.

SPEAKER_08 54:37

So I don't have a hot take about Rapuela, but I just needed to mention it while I'm here. This might be the only time I ever talked to other people who might have been equally obsessed.

SPEAKER_03 54:46

Love it. I love it.

SPEAKER_08 54:47

So shout out to her forever. And then I just have a small rant to share if this is a safe space. Let's do it. Because at the time that we're recording this, uh Shakita just announced another run of shows through the United States. Um, I am so privileged and am still paying off my tickets from last year, but I was so privileged to have seen Shakita 10 times last year. And now she's gonna do another run of shows. And I was looking, and the tickets are so effing expensive. Like, can we just collectively bring Ticketmaster and burn it into the ground? Like, what needs to happen for that to take place? Like, I was fortunate to get one ticket. I live in San Diego, so I'm like two hours from LA. So Shakita has two upcoming dates in LA now. So I know I'm gonna find a way to get tickets to the second one, but the first one was $486.

SPEAKER_01 55:39

Like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_08 55:41

That is just crazy to me. And then I'm originally from Minneapolis. So another Gloria tie-in is that she did the Super Bowl there. Ah, um, so shout out to Minneapolis and Gloria being a Latina in the frigid cold of Minneapolis. Um, but I saw that Lady Gaga at the time that we're recording this is about to do a show in Minneapolis next week. And the tickets on the floor are like six to seven thousand dollars because of resale fees. And I just find that horrendous. I don't know what Gloria's tickets go for. So I hope that your fandom doesn't have to suffer like us Shaki fans do, but I just find that undefensible. Like, how can the CEO of Ticketmaster go to bed at night? Obviously, just on stacks of gold. So they're probably sleeping very well, but you're conscious. Like, how do you ethically go to bed at night knowing that fans are taking out debt, like avoiding other experiences, just to be able to go to a show? I just find that horrendous. So I needed to get that off my chest.

SPEAKER_03 56:38

Natalie, I wish we knew what glorious ticket prices were if you would tour.

SPEAKER_08 56:44

Oh hello. You would be okay. Your fandom seems like they would be happy to have the opportunity to complain about that. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 56:54

I'll sell my children. I'll sell my cat. Oh my gosh. Are you ready to let it loose?

SPEAKER_02 57:07

I am beyond ready. Callie for thank you. I just want to thank her for her let it loose. And also I want to give props to all of you, Laura and Rob and Carlos, uh slash torpedo and Guess for just offering this fantastic platform for all of us as Stephanatics to come together, but also to bring along our cousins from the Shakita world. Yeah, it's a real pleasure to have you, Callie, uh, here with us and to share your expertise and your experience as well. I want to begin with uh, first of all, uh Donna Sama was surfaced earlier. And you know, I'm a I'm a 70s kid, and disco was a big thing, as I described earlier. So she's always been my you know 70s number one and to this day uh favorite of mine. And so, you know, she's had such a musical impact and influence on her stuff today. And so that's why I'm I'm I I like the fact that artists from Madonna to Kylie Minogue and so on, they all do their own version or spin of I Feel Love. And so um, Gwes, you may be able to confirm this or not, but I don't think Gloria herself has done her own spin on it yet. I know the Gloria album came close to um some some some um uh tip of the hat to some songs like Diana Ross's uh um song. But I don't think she's done her own version uh or take on I feel love. What do you think, Gwes?

SPEAKER_04 58:25

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02 58:26

Yeah, so Gloria she's due for her own take on it because most every other major artist, especially in concert settings or tours, they do that. So I would love to hear Gloria spin. Um and also that brings me back to another point, which is that when my friends over the decades have asked me, well, why do you like Gloria so much? And I choose to answer, uh, one of the reasons I give them is it's similar to my response when people ask me why you love Kylie Minogue so much. Because they bring happy music. I like their happy music, their brand of happy music. So I would love Gloria and Kylie to have a duet, some collaboration at some point. Because for me, not only are they contemporaries, because Kylie Minogue busted out in 1987 when I was a freshman in college with you know to the locomotion. And so they've been contemporaries. However, I don't think, and maybe Gwes knows a little better, they've had many opportunities to cross, intersect. I don't even know if they've met each other, type of thing, but I would love for them to get together on some collaboration on a record, especially because of where they are currently. I know Carlos Torpedo, you were joking right now that Gloria's not doing a tour. Actually, I'm gonna push back and say she is doing a tour. She's doing a tour of collecting Grammy's baby. Okay, that's right. That's right. That's her tour right now. Yeah, so I think when Queen says I'm gonna stop collecting this hardware, I'm gonna get down to do the tours. And then when it's her and her Grammy mantle. That's right, because you saw that it was beautiful. But I think in this in this future tour of hers, if we can manifest it, I would want her to do a couple of things. When I listed one of them already, which is uh a Kylie duet and uh collaboration, I'd also like for her to um, of course, you know how she she has her um, which is now kind of like a celebrated opening of hers, don't mi gente, you know. Uh I I would like for her to come out one day and her future tour and just say, Where are my gay middle-aged cat dads? You know, because I'm over here about to turn 57 years old, and I've been with her since I was probably like 10, 11 years old, hearing my sound machine. And so just, you know what, girl, just come out and recognize it. I will I will feel so seen if she comes out on her new tour and says, Where are my gay middle-aged cat dads? I will feel seen, acknowledged, and just celebrated.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:43

And then it's just you and me raising our hands and everything else.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:47

Also, the other point is I really want to push for a remixes collection. Uh, Gwes, and I think others are talking about that.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:54

I'm all for that.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:55

You gotta have a remixes, uh uh uh collection. I mean, going back to the Miami song machine days, especially, there's so much rich material there to bring forward into the 2020s, and so you know all the songs, but of course, Love Toy is gonna be Love Toy!

SPEAKER_04 1:01:11

Um, I also Love Toy 2026 remixed. I can see it now.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:15

I would also love um remixes for uh Fall in Love, Live for Loving You, I've Got No Love, Go Away, I Wish You More of Those. I love those remixes as well, and I just want to be happy. I would love remixes for those as well, along with the classic Miami Song Sheet Hits and Songs. I also want to have her finally at some point win a best dance recording Grammy. Because when that category busted out, Wes, you can come you can double check me here in the late 90s. She was at one point the most nominated artist in that category. Um, she was nominated in 1999 for Heaven's When I Field, 2000 for Donate This Money In, 2002 for Out of Nowhere. She has not won that best dance recording yet. Now we have the newer uh recording uh Grammy, which is the best pop dance recording. And I think in that category, she would win. But this needs to be acknowledged because not only has she been she's been fantastic with ballads and pop and dance and salsa, and she's won Grammys in those areas, but the dance career of hers needs to be properly and formally acknowledged with a, in my opinion, a dance recording Grammy or pop dance recording. Yeah, and my final note is I really wish that uh in this collection of remixes that remixes for medicine were included as well.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:32

Oh, don't get us started. Don't get us started there. Don't roll it down.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:36

Don't really not that song. They haven't been released, but hopefully one day.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:41

Yeah, let's let's will that its existence. And then finally, my my closing message is more so for Little Rob. Little Rob, I am indeed one of the oomts, oomts, oomts gays.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:51

No, nothing.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:53

I am I love her club music, I love her remixes. Um that's why I'm I'm I'm wanting to have her win this best dance recording or best pop dance recording category because she has had a phenomenal and successful dance recording career as well.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:07

You and I we went on a road trip to the Rocky Mountains and we ounce uns our asses all the way up those mountains.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:17

I will I would rather oonts uns if it was like original music, like the Gloria album. I can oonce uns to that. But ounts unts to a song that's been out for a long time. I don't know. It's all very good.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:28

I'm with you, I'm with you, Rob. I'm not a big uns queer either. So you're not alone. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:35

Um, I actually do have a let it loose and it's very, very short. Um, my let it loose is I still to this day don't understand how is it that Gloria and Shakira don't have a duet.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:48

What's up with that? Because they know that I would spontaneously combust if that were to happen.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:54

It would be too powerful, it would be too much for the masses.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:57

Yeah, I need that to happen. I mean, even if even if it's just a live uh live performance, I'll say I would be okay with a live performance, but yeah, that needs to happen. Um, and then I also want to say, Callie, you have been a day oneer. You have supported us and our show from day one. Um, I see every time you like every single silly thing we post. Um and we could feel the love, we could feel the support. And I know that how I could just imagine how busy you are um doing your podcasts. So the fact that you take time out of your day to even just acknowledge us, I truly, you know, we truly appreciate. Oh, you're so sweet.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:45

Of course, I have to pay mis respetos to Artia's fandom. So happy to have you. Artia's fandom.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:52

And then Angel, I mean, you already know you are you're my sister from Another Mr. And you have been our biggest cheerleader all as well. And I mean, we could feel the love. We get excited every time that we that you send us, you know, your your thoughts on any episodes that we we drop. Um, so thank you so much for not only being a supporter, but for both of you for joining us today. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:22

Yeah, thank you so much. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:24

Thanks for having us. What do we say at the end? Get on, yo.

unknown 1:05:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:30

There's a part that Rob will go ahead and do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:32

Yeah, I'll do all the boring stuff next.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:34

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:35

Thank you once again to our two guests today. If you are a Shakira fan or if you want to learn more about the Shakira fandom, please don't forget to listen to Shakipedia or Shakipedia. It is a bilingual podcast where originally they were going through every single song um alphabetically, but they've come up with really cool ideas and different episode ideas throughout the their many seasons, and I'm so proud of everything that. They've done. So please don't forget to give them a listen. If you like this episode, please don't forget to uh rate, review, subscribe, give us five stars. Because please, thank you. Um, if you have any ideas for future episodes, if you want to reach out to us in any way, let it loose pod at gmail.com or find us on Instagram and Twitter, and we will see you next time with another episode. Thanks everybody.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:20

Hasta luego. Thank you for listening to Let It Loose, a Gloria Estic Fan podcast. Let It Loose is produced by Carlos, Rob, and Wes with graphic design by Lara. Thank you to Gloria for bringing us all together. Subscribe, rate, and share the love. And join us next week for a brand new episode.